CuriousGeorge

Charles,

As I recall, there was going to be a DXS forum for training and answering questions done by either GDT or DXS (don't remember which). This was going to be rolled out in early 2006 I believe. Douglas collected some names for moderators and the like, submitted "stuff" to GDT (not exactly sure what the "stuff" was) and we were told the forum was "on the shelf" ready to be implemented. Not a peep from GDt or DXS since that date on the subject as far as I know, although I think there is still an inactive link to something like that in the DXS menu.

So, I suspect (tongue in cheek) that we are not "badgering them" if the requests are over a year apart. Things change over that kind of time and perhaps they may wish to re-examine this subject.

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Time for me to have my say here (and this would have happened much sooner if it hadn't been for a major financial crisis ... and yes, this crisis has been a direct result of DX's failure to deliver on even a small portion of the many numerous things that have been promised both to myself personally and to every DXer in general)

Speaking solely for myself here, there is no way at all that 4AllAccounts will ever return to be a 'cheerleading' site for DX and there is one very good reason for this.

4AllAccounts has never BEEN a cheerleading site for DX. We, as a forum, have always tried to maintain an objective of factual discussion regarding whatever is happening with DX at the time. We tried very hard to ensure that what was being said was based on fact and could be backed up. And for a long time those facts had a very positive nature which lead to us being labelled 'cheerleaders'' by others (coincidentally those others being the ones that often tried to spread rumors and blatant lies that simply could not be reinforced with any substance). We have never claimed that we, as a forum, are either a cheerleader nor a nay-sayer.

What has changed over the past 12-18 months is not that we have moved from being 'cheerleaders' to 'nay-sayers' but simply that the facts surrounding DX and their continual failures in communication, deliverence, and respect to their own members have become more and more negative. I'll say that again ... the facts themselves have become negative, not us!

Just compare the facts from the past to the facts of today ...

OutXchanges used to be dependable ... what frequency do they happen today?
Merchants used to receive regular InXchanges ... when was the last time a merchant here received a regular AIX?
You used to be able to log in to DX every day without fail ... how long has this latest 'half-hour?' downtime lasted?

In my own personal opinion I truely hope that DX is able to overcome all the major issues that they have bought upon themselves ... but I no longer hope that these are overcome so that DX can deliver what it promised us all so many years ago now, I hope that DX can overcome them so that the majority of us can recover the sizable funds that we have tied up in the system. That is what I hope! Is it what I expect? No.

But the one thing that I truely hope for is that we continue to maintain a forum of accurate and truthful discussions when it comes to DX ... as I do for every other topic that we start to discuss.

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Allen I am sorry to hear of your financial situation at the moment. I have been there and know what that is like. At one point I did not have to money to buy my child milk to drink.

This Forum has always said as loud as it could "Do your DD!" "Never put any more into DXIO/DXS/GDT then one can light a cigar with". Has not this always been the stand of this Forum?

That was one of the things that separated DX4All/4Allaccount from all of the other Forums out there. Also the fact that this Forum was free for anyone made you very different. These two things are what drew a lot of people here. I have admired this about all of you. I would have charge a fee to have access to this Forum but all of you stood your ground about keeping is fee to all.

If that is true and I believe it is how can one of the administrators’ say that DXS caused their financial crisis? Did you not follow your own advice to the members here?

DX has not caused my success of failure with finances. My choices and my choices alone have led to my failure or success. I believe in their dream but I did not over step my financial limits with them.

May be this is why the tone is so hard here lately? The leaders did not take their own advice with this system and now they are angry at DXS? Even if I lose all I have in the system I will not be angry at them. It was my choice to get involved with GDT.

Charles

Succeed2k

The funds that we (the forum) took in were for platinum memberships and the like. Members wanted to pay via DXG, and we, showing our support for DXS accepted. I believe at some point someone did ask DXS to clarify that funds we took in would be usable and outxchangable as real funds (someone may need to confirm this though).

What hurts us the most isn't the funds being diminished, but the fact that it was our showing of support in DXS that came back to burn us. That really REALLY hurts more than anybody could understand.

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Can't speak fully for others, Charles, but I think in this particular matter the issue is NOT funds put into DXS but sales made accepting DXS. They were operating a business and they were accepting several different currencies for services rendered. eGold, eBullion, PayPal, DXG and EMO were several i can think of.

However, since it was a large and diverse forum here and the majority of the sales came from the forum members, a great many of them chose to pay in DXS, which was accepted IN GOOD FAITH.

So, I are not talking here about funds they put into DXS or funds that they "earned" from the anticipated revenues DXS was paying out into the portfolio. I are talking about funds received for services "in kind".

Now, I will scratch my chin and ask why ALL the funds were not removed from DXS as they were earned as well as you might. However, let's face the fact that when it was functioning, DXS itself said that the portfolio and DXS account was the virtual equivalent of a banking system and the funds, BY INFERENCE, were "safe".

Then DXS crashed, for whatever reason, and has never recovered to any real extent.

So, yes, the funds should have been removed to a "safe haven" as fast as they were made. However, since they also had a merchant console, and we both know that DXS had a "slight security adjustment" they could make to accounts with out exchanges in queue, perhaps the thought occurred that removing the funds would be viewed by DXS in a negative manner and would result in their out exchanges being delayed or "virtually" stopped.

One of the things I took away from my conversations with Jan, Allan and Lynnette when they visited Merv in Vanuatu, was Merv's almost encyclopedic recall of accounts, account names AND the appropriate DX4All account user name. Also the comment that GDT had a long memory kind of stuck.

So, if you, I or Sally put into DXS our retirement funds, shame on us. However, if DXS sits on funds that were earned through the DXS system by a business accepting DXS as legitimate "coin of the realm" or legal tender for services rendered, we have a horse of an entirely different color.

At least that is my take on it derived from conversations with Jan, Allan, Lynnette, Merv, and you.

I would like to point out, through all this, that I have several stories, slightly different from each other, that when viewed as a whole, lend a rather cohesive, rational and plausible story/situation.

Could be wrong, may be wrong, but I suspect I am pretty close to a good grasp of the situation. I also realize that the total figure that was "bandied about" may have reflected more than the "simple receipts" from business functions. Also, please realize that I consider commissions and bonuses earned from working a merchant console as EARNINGS, not "anticipated revenues", since the funds earned were based on a percentage of the fee charged to the person wanting the exchange to happen.

At least that's the way the ape sees it. I mean no harm or disrespect to anyone by anything in this post and I am not directing snide comments or anything else. It really is the way I see it, even though it may appear childishly simple to anyone else.

Also, please understand that neither Allan nor Lynnette will be viewing this situation with the equanimity I am viewing it.

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And not just funds from the forum either but DXG that was accepted for other business services offered personally. All of these funds were accepted in good faith and due to belief in what DX was offering and what we had been told about by DX themselves. These funds SHOULD have been available to us to pay the bills with ... but were and still are NOT available, meaning we have had to try and earn even more to not only cover current expenses but past expenses which should have been paid for from the income not accessible.

So yes, I do hold DXS directly responsible (in most part anyway) for our current situation ... and while I am at I would like to publicly thank those who have actually come to our aid. It has been and always will be greatly appreciated.

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