[nlopedota]

First; regarding Jans supposedly SNIDE comment; I think along the same lines and have said on a number of occasions that if such and such occurred I would XXXX myself or whatever; another words it was meant as a humurous statement........better to focus on in this case DX as an issue not individual members.

Next: " So, the question remains; should we go back to being the DXS cheer leaders/ Muzzle all discord? Emphatically state that the Emperor IS fully clothed? It lends a certain curious air to the idea." That would seem irresponsible and slightly dishonest to me; so, NO . As you said your unbiased opinion is what is important and what is of value; not only to existing membership but, to those new persons considering placing money into the DX ecomomy.........................................St ill there seems to be a question of the one or two or few that have direct contact with DX ; that now seems to be a function of the DX ecomomy and DX is not a category within 4AllAccounts.

Admins have placed funds too........and are having the same problems as everyone else so should be allowed to express their honest opinion regarding relevant issues as well.

[nlopedota]

Still there seems to be a question of the one or two or few that have direct contact with DX ; that now seems to be a function of the DX ecomomy and DX is a category within 4AllAccounts.

[Succeed2k]

Would you believe i was actually willingly avoiding posting in here?

As i'm one of the people who are seen as making supposed snide, negative, mean or bitchy comments, i figure i should probably drop in and carefully pick some words of wisdom.

So...

Yes, membership is down here.
Yes, traffic is down.

Why?

I don't believe it's because we are more open in our opinions. I also don't believe it has anything to do with supposed agendas that we keep hearing about.

I do believe it is solely to do with people simply having given up on ever getting their funds out of DXS. The vast majority of members here joined because they are in DXS. Traffic over the years shows that when DXS is active, so is this forum. So when DXS go offline for long periods of time without reason, naturally we drop here also. This downward trend has continued as DXS have time and time again failed to follow through on promises. Add to that the fact that DXS have changed the rules as it's pleased them to the point where people stand little to no hope of seeing their funds unless they input more funds, and you have a very large group of VERY upset members.

This doesn't even begin to start on the misappropriation of Blue Chip funds.

I think the majority of people are more pissed off with DXS for these things than they EVER WILL BE at people like me stating that DXS are doing these things. Others here may disagree. That's their choice and I respect that.

At this moment in time, i don't think ANYBODY should be putting more funds into DXS, and as an admin here I feel that we have a responsibility to let people know the truth, as it stands, regardless of whether it's news we want to hear.

Certain people keep calling us (well, me and a few others) out for not acting professionally on this forum. It would be unethical, and unprofessional of me to not be honest and express the facts. It would be very unprofessional if we were to just say nothing, which in the long run, could amount to the same thing as encouraging people to put new funds in.

I find it disheartening, disappointing and somewhat surprising that the same people calling us unprofessional are the ones who have chosen to send their funds, or show their support to a company that acts far less professionally than I ever could.

So i ask, in the nicest way possible, before you point the finger at us, remember that we at least come through on promises, goals and always express the cold hard facts.

[oneplanet]

Sorry I'm in late on this, it's a holiday weekend over here.

Originally Posted by abconnect

We as members would like to see some positive changes in the Forum but we are not sure how that will happen with the current leadership in place or without a change of attitude on their part.

What's this "WE" Charles ?

You are speaking for yourself, NOT for forum members.

If forum members want to see changes, I would please ask them to post or PM suggestions to us and they will be taken very seriously, as this forum is here for the members, not for the Admins, SuperMods or Moderators.

What "positive changes" would you like to see in the Forum?

• That we stop posting facts? (because they happen to all be negative)
• That we ignore the reality? (because the reality is very negative)
• That we allow some people to post opinions that contradict the reality and the facts, without responding to them? (We have always called people out when their opinions contradict the reality and the facts)

Here's another fact, there are still people selling DXS courses, fooling people into a DXS that hasn't existed since 2005.
These people normally end up here and WE are going to fill them in on the facts and reality of DXS in 2008.

It's bad enough that these people have wasted money on a DXS course, they shouldn't be fooled into throwing good money after bad.

BTW, the 4AllAccounts leadership "attitude" is based on the same information all normal DXUsers get, we are not part of the chosen few, so our attitude is more likely to reflect the true situation.

Originally Posted by Shiisa

I'd suggest that if the only thing you're going to say about DXS is bashing, it's probably time to shut down the DXS section of the forum... because it truly sounds a lot like TalkGold...

How dare you Jan!

What you are saying is that because we are posting about the FACTS and the REALITY of the situation, for the normal DXUser ... that we should shut down the DXS section of the forum?

I'd prefer to tell the truth, than bury my head in the sand and let people loose more money.

As I've written before, I'd prefer to have my DXAccount closed by DXS, (which has a large sum of DXGold in it from accepting DXGold in the past) , for posting the facts, rather than let people put more money or time into DXS, until there is a viable system built and it functions correctly.

TalkGold has always been full of rumors and opinions based on nothing but imagination, that is not the case here, as we are basing our opinions on facts.

We'll shut down the DXS section of the forum when/IF DXS shuts down, no matter how hard some people try to encourage closing the DXS section.

Originally Posted by Shiisa

it's one thing when the negative comments come from members... but when leadership joins the bashing it becomes much more "valid" for many members....

The decision to add our own comments, that may be considered negative, was not taken lightly, as we are well aware that a view would become much more "valid" ..... but facts are facts and we can't sweeten them, as there is nothing to sweeten them with.

Originally Posted by nlopedota

Next: " So, the question remains; should we go back to being the DXS cheer leaders/ Muzzle all discord? Emphatically state that the Emperor IS fully clothed? It lends a certain curious air to the idea." That would seem irresponsible and slightly dishonest to me; so, NO . As you said your unbiased opinion is what is important and what is of value; not only to existing membership but, to those new persons considering placing money into the DX ecomomy.........................................

Thank you for your opinion nlopedota, it's appreciated.
Yes, I do think that if we ignored the facts, it would be irresponsible and slightly dishonest of us.

Any other opinions on this from other members?

Originally Posted by nlopedota

Still there seems to be a question of the one or two or few that have direct contact with DX ; that now seems to be a function of the DX ecomomy and DX is not a category within 4AllAccounts.

I agree and since there seems to be plenty of information being communicated to "one or two or few that have direct contact with DX", we have to wonder why they can't simply put us all in the picture?

If your bank had your money and wouldn't/couldn't give it to you, you'd expect regular communication.

Originally Posted by nlopedota

Admins have placed funds too........and are having the same problems as everyone else so should be allowed to express their honest opinion regarding relevant issues as well.

EXACTLY!

My funds in DXS are funds that I accepted as payment for services.
I accepted them at face value at the time, some were DXG, some were "type" funds, but what is left now is mostly DXG.

I'm having the same problems as everyone else.

So I agree, I should be allowed to express my honest opinion regarding relevant issues, especially when they are backed up by the FACTS.

The fact is that IF/when DXS becomes a professional business and there is a viable system built and it functions correctly .... we will also be posting those facts and helping people use this viable, functioning system.

[Succeed2k]

I'm curious...

Jan / Charles, we want DXS to succeed as much as the next person, but there are things about DXS that are simply not right.

I wonder, could you (either of you) do us a favour? This forum (and related businesses) took in THOUSANDS of dollars (and we're not talking about 1 or 2 thousand either) of DXG under the good faith that they would be usable and outxchangeable as valid cash funds. Most of those have been reduced due to the changes DXS made.

Could either of you ask DXS to transfer the equiv. funds in real cash to us so that we may get the funds we were promised by DXS?

For the record.. no, this isn't meant to be sarcastic. It's also not meant to be snide. I'm very deadly serious. As you can see, some people have a very valid reason for being pissed off with DXS.

[dx4allpro]

It is obvious that the forum has lost direction and needs to refocus.

The primary reason why we login to this forum is to keep abreast of developments with DXS because many of us have substantial funds within the system and many of us would like to see DXS develop a successful online economy.

I think that if the DXS element of this forum no longer exists, then I'm inclined to believe that the forum would not survive.

From my perspective, here is where the leadership at the forum has gone desperately wrong in handling the issues surrounding DXS:

The leadership doesn't seem to have defined for themselves a professional intermediary role between DXS and its forum members.

What has happened is that the leadership has moved from the extreme role of being cheer leaders to being high-profile critics of DXS. BIG PROFESSIONAL BLUNDER.

In other words, the leadership didn't ensure that they maintained a neutral professional middle ground that would ensure a balanced perspective between the legitimate concerns of forum members while maintaining personal professional contact with DXS with a view to gathering as much factual information as possible in order to avoid a communications vacuum that would only lead to further speculation and confusion on the part of already unhappy DXUsers.

What needs to be appreciated by the forum leaders is that they don't have to take sides with its members or DXS to be an effective component in directing our focus in positive ways.

You can be constructively critical of DXS while being neutral and professional, and without being sarcastic and making snide remarks that do not add any value whatsoever in trying to move things forward.

If there are particular concerns, simply focus on the issues and make efforts to get answers that add clarity. And if those answers are not forthcoming, then patiently wait to see how things unfold. The leadership should guard against speculation at all costs and set the professional tone.

Instead of cursing DXS, engage them professionally as best you can without the rants and sarcasm.

If the forum leadership were to sit down face-to-face with DXS this very moment, would they engage DXS with insults and sarcasm, or would their approach be measured and professional?

The leadership should make it their highest priority to seek out the facts about issues of concern and feed that information through the forum in a professional manner. And if the forum leaders are not in a position to provide ANY facts, then it's their duty to maintain a sense of balance and clarity. Otherwise, the forum becomes a rudderless ship, as is now the case.

Just a few suggestions:

1) The leadership needs to find ways to make direct contact with DXS and engage them professionally

2) The leadership needs to shift to an intermediary middle ground where their role will entail DXS fact-finding and dissemination

3) Is Platinum membership of any real value based on the current forum climate? Leadership would need to prove that they have access to useful DXS information

4) To make concerns more concrete and real, a list needs to be made of all the areas within the DXSystem that need completion and improvement. Use these concerns to engage DXS more effectively and positively.

5) Great emphasis should be placed on HELPFUL professional communication when discussing DXS issues.

Let's concentrate on the issues. As an example: If the DXGPC needs fixing, let's ask DXS to fix it and keep following up with them until they do.

Let's keep things professional and purposeful. And let's be constructively critical.

- David

[Succeed2k]

The problem is David, we did have good contact with DXS, and we have in the past been very professional, outlined where we see faults, even offered to assist them. DXS either did not bother answering those emails or they turned down the offers.

After so long of DXS turning down the offers or ignoring the suggestions, it becomes clear that they don't want or need assistance or suggestions in these matters.

So while i totally agree with you... we've been there, done that, and have come out the other side feeling less than important to those in charge.

[CuriousGeorge]

Originally Posted by dx4allpro

Just a few suggestions:

1) The leadership needs to find ways to make direct contact with DXS and engage them professionally

2) The leadership needs to shift to an intermediary middle ground where their role will entail DXS fact-finding and dissemination

3) Is Platinum membership of any real value based on the current forum climate? Leadership would need to prove that they have access to useful DXS information

4) To make concerns more concrete and real, a list needs to be made of all the areas within the DX System that need completion and improvement. Use these concerns to engage DXS more effectively and positively.

5) Great emphasis should be placed on HELPFUL professional communication when discussing DXS issues.

Let's concentrate on the issues. As an example: If the DXGPC needs fixing, let's ask DXS to fix it and keep following up with them until they do.

Let's keep things professional and purposeful. And let's be constructively critical.

- David

Good points and a well written post. Thank-you. We have done each of those things in the past. I have personally talked with the GDT "point man" on the phone 3 times that I recall. I found him to be articulate, convincing and very likable.

Now, the question that concerns the "leadership" at this moment is NOT a pro/anti/neutral stance concerning DXS/GDT. (As an aside, are we clear that DXS is NOT GDT? They are 2 separate companies. GDT may have influence over DXS, but they ARE NOT the same companies.) The primary concern at this point is the future of 4AllAccounts, not DXS or GDT. We made a decision to open the board to other areas of involvement in home based businesses. Now, it may be that the readership of this board is simply not interested in ANYTHING other than DXS. If that is the case, we die. However, it is